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him. but he's not -- he's sort of un veiling something people sort of already knew but really speaking the truth about it. >> here is wendell potter. >> there is the assumption that people that run government are elected officials, people from congress. but it is not true in many cases. the power lies with corporations and corporations and the corporate interests and the lobbyists they buy. i was almost as surprised by anybody to see the report that i was the most frequent visitor to the white house during the health reform debate. it was important to keep expressing the hospital's position. >> it is an experience world to live in, in terms of getting your voice heard in washington, d.c. >> how powerful are lobbyists in the health care system? [laughter] infinitely. >> why did the head of the hospital association speak to you? >> they wanted to give their perspective, and we wanted the perspective of lobbyists. i don't think he's a bad guy at all. i think he's just doing his job. his job is to advocate on behalf of hospitals, and that's the way our system is set up. >> shannon bradley
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